COME INTO MY CLOSET! PART 5
Or, Can’t I PLEASE Be a Presbyterian?
The remainder of my time at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School was spent trying to catch up on a ton of things I realized I should have learned a long time before. Things were flying at me from every direction. I was thinking so much that my brain was starting to smoke. (Even my brain was Presbyterian!)
I was still serving as youth pastor at the church in Medinah, IL. An event happened there that would shape my life forever. After I had been there only a month the senior pastor called me into his office and informed me that he was resigning. This was a rather large church which had two morning services. Within days the deacons called a meeting to try to decide what they would do in the interim. Somebody came up with the idea of turning the early service into a kind of youth service. I was shaken from my reverie when I heard the words, “…and Dave can preach at it!” “Now wait just a doggone minute here! I’m a youth pastor. I do youth talks, not sermons!” My protests were useless. I started preaching every week in the early service while they brought in my former professors from Wheaton and other great speakers to handle the second service and the evening services. Talk about intimidating!
In my new Calvinist clothes I had to admit that this was not just bad luck but it was the providence of God! God was doing something that would force me to take a quick one hundred and eighty degree turn. This preaching arrangement went on for a little over a year while I was at TEDS. They finally found a new senior pastor. He was a great guy. I really liked him and he seemed to like me. The only problem was that he couldn’t preach. We soon discovered that he had preached both of his sermons during his candidating week. Before long there were complaints. Then I heard the words of doom, “Hey, why not have him split time in the pulpit with Dave?” If there are any youth pastors or associate pastors out there, let me just say this: If you ever hear these words, RUN! It’s over for you. Your days are numbered. Even I was smart enough to know that.
In the meantime my plans were also being ruined on the theological front. I’ll be brief. My view of eschatology (the end times) was quickly running toward a Presbyterian view. All the futuristic stuff of my childhood evaporated when I began to understand apocalyptic literature. It was certainly prophetic, but it seemed to me that almost all of the prophecies had already been fulfilled by the end of the 2nd century. And the millennium? Gone!
Church government? The church government with which I grew up couldn’t be found anywhere in the New Testament. Being faithful to my oath I decided to try to figure out what I believed about church government. Let’s see…there seem to be elders who are in charge of just about everything. Deacons seem to be in charge of almost nothing other than serving the church. The pastor seems to be an elder who has the gift of preaching and/or teaching. Hmmm. What denomination is most like this? Presbyterian!
That was it! I really was a Presbyterian! I decided to come under the care of the local PCA session and become a PCA church planter. The Presbyterian Church of America was the up and coming denomination with all my pub buddies. I was really excited!
That’s when I had the Lutheresque experience. Remember when Luther celebrated his first mass and sloshed the blood of Jesus onto the altar and he almost passed out as he elevated the host? My moment had to do with baptizing a baby. (Please don’t hate me here.) Thankfully, I wasn’t the one doing the baptism. I might have dropped the baby. In short, I had to go back and study the sacrament of baptism and I was convinced that baptism was for believers. Needless to say, the PCA wouldn’t have me.
Oh well. I’m graduating from an Evangelical Free Church seminary, aren’t I? They’ll have to take me, won’t they? As I sat with the executive minister for the Southern California district of the EV Free and planned where I would plant a church for them everything was sailing along beautifully. As he closed his notebook and told me how glad he would be to see me back in SoCal, he said in passing, “Of course, you are pre-millennial aren’t you?” “No, in fact, I’m not,” I naively replied. “I’m sorry,” he said. “We can’t use you.”
I am a rock. I am an island. And a rock feels no pain. And an island never cries. A man without a denomination. A Calvinist, amillennialist, Presbyterian church government, baptistic mess! That’s what I was. Oh please! Can’t I be a Presbyterian?
The remainder of my time at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School was spent trying to catch up on a ton of things I realized I should have learned a long time before. Things were flying at me from every direction. I was thinking so much that my brain was starting to smoke. (Even my brain was Presbyterian!)
I was still serving as youth pastor at the church in Medinah, IL. An event happened there that would shape my life forever. After I had been there only a month the senior pastor called me into his office and informed me that he was resigning. This was a rather large church which had two morning services. Within days the deacons called a meeting to try to decide what they would do in the interim. Somebody came up with the idea of turning the early service into a kind of youth service. I was shaken from my reverie when I heard the words, “…and Dave can preach at it!” “Now wait just a doggone minute here! I’m a youth pastor. I do youth talks, not sermons!” My protests were useless. I started preaching every week in the early service while they brought in my former professors from Wheaton and other great speakers to handle the second service and the evening services. Talk about intimidating!
In my new Calvinist clothes I had to admit that this was not just bad luck but it was the providence of God! God was doing something that would force me to take a quick one hundred and eighty degree turn. This preaching arrangement went on for a little over a year while I was at TEDS. They finally found a new senior pastor. He was a great guy. I really liked him and he seemed to like me. The only problem was that he couldn’t preach. We soon discovered that he had preached both of his sermons during his candidating week. Before long there were complaints. Then I heard the words of doom, “Hey, why not have him split time in the pulpit with Dave?” If there are any youth pastors or associate pastors out there, let me just say this: If you ever hear these words, RUN! It’s over for you. Your days are numbered. Even I was smart enough to know that.
In the meantime my plans were also being ruined on the theological front. I’ll be brief. My view of eschatology (the end times) was quickly running toward a Presbyterian view. All the futuristic stuff of my childhood evaporated when I began to understand apocalyptic literature. It was certainly prophetic, but it seemed to me that almost all of the prophecies had already been fulfilled by the end of the 2nd century. And the millennium? Gone!
Church government? The church government with which I grew up couldn’t be found anywhere in the New Testament. Being faithful to my oath I decided to try to figure out what I believed about church government. Let’s see…there seem to be elders who are in charge of just about everything. Deacons seem to be in charge of almost nothing other than serving the church. The pastor seems to be an elder who has the gift of preaching and/or teaching. Hmmm. What denomination is most like this? Presbyterian!
That was it! I really was a Presbyterian! I decided to come under the care of the local PCA session and become a PCA church planter. The Presbyterian Church of America was the up and coming denomination with all my pub buddies. I was really excited!
That’s when I had the Lutheresque experience. Remember when Luther celebrated his first mass and sloshed the blood of Jesus onto the altar and he almost passed out as he elevated the host? My moment had to do with baptizing a baby. (Please don’t hate me here.) Thankfully, I wasn’t the one doing the baptism. I might have dropped the baby. In short, I had to go back and study the sacrament of baptism and I was convinced that baptism was for believers. Needless to say, the PCA wouldn’t have me.
Oh well. I’m graduating from an Evangelical Free Church seminary, aren’t I? They’ll have to take me, won’t they? As I sat with the executive minister for the Southern California district of the EV Free and planned where I would plant a church for them everything was sailing along beautifully. As he closed his notebook and told me how glad he would be to see me back in SoCal, he said in passing, “Of course, you are pre-millennial aren’t you?” “No, in fact, I’m not,” I naively replied. “I’m sorry,” he said. “We can’t use you.”
I am a rock. I am an island. And a rock feels no pain. And an island never cries. A man without a denomination. A Calvinist, amillennialist, Presbyterian church government, baptistic mess! That’s what I was. Oh please! Can’t I be a Presbyterian?
4 Comments:
I think it's important not to throw out the baby with the baptismal water.
(You may quote me on this.)
Wow (once again.) I'm sorry about Presby Church of America, what about Presby Church USA? Believe me, I know they are with faults, but it is my denomination's branch. I can't believe they would be so all or nothing in regards to the baptism thing, based on my experience.
Our youth pastor (as does our senior) performs infant baptisms, and believer baptisms. I think parents of babies to be baptized should know it isn't magic! A congregation shares the burden/joy of raising a child in a church....small congregations really embrace this!
I was baptised at 12, as a Presby, bc my Dad was born an Irish Cathlolic, whose Mom became a BA Baptist during WW2, when he was a kid. He felt 12 was as long as he could hold out, he felt guilt it wasn't sooner, but he was torn about the believer thing. All the rest of my siblings were baptised as infants. Hmmm, but I'm the only church goer of the lot...
Still, if I had loved my church when my kids were infants, I would've done it sooner. That being said, nothing can replace the day, I heard my kids give their statement of faith, as they were baptised. However, they were too young to join the church, so a Presby baptism to be sure.
I don't know theologically what this makes me, except the Presby church I belonged to, accepted my decision, and I have stood up for all the babies/ teens/adults/and children baptised in our church, pledging to be there for them. I will always be too.
Sorry, for the long comment...(!!)
WoSC
Dear WoSC
I was United Methodist for years in Santa Barbara, (then later Free Methodist) and stood up with a few babies and a 12 year old at their Baptisms, always very moving experiences. I really am hopeful Baptism is not a big issue with God.I'm not loosing sleep over it as I do other things. My girls are 18 and 14 and have again expressed an interest in being baptised. When John and I got married in my backyard this past November, our Pastor came to perform the ceremony. I considered heating our pool and having (Laura and Casey) my maid of honor and John's best girl wear matching bikini's and after the ceremony having him perform the sacrement in our pool. I wisely decided that they need their own special day. I love that you had the chance to listen to you children's profession of faith! I look forward to that with mine soon.
Susan SYS
Hey-WoSC You're comments are great. I'm the Blog Hog! Definately runs in our vociferous family. Must learn to be more like YB.
Very sincerely, SYS
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